Optimising the costs of CCS: Ilten Karadag, ABB (Turkey) & Mattias Jones, Captimise (Sweden)

I, I think in the interest of time, we'll move on to the next presentation, which I think is a double act. I'm not sure who is going to give each which part. But anyway, the title is Optimizing the Costs of CCS by Hilton, AK of A, B, B, Turkey, and Mathias Jones of Capitalize. And, and are you going together or one by one. Okay. I will introduce you as I speak. Hilton is the regional sales manager to abbs cement business unit and head of sales for Turkey at abbs process industry division. He is more than 17 years of experience in sales and marketing and business development in the field of electrification, automation and digitalization of industrial plants.

Prior to this, he worked for Schneider Electric and feo, SC and Company and for Matthias. Since 2016, ha has been co-owner and partner in Capitalize formerly Blue Carbon Solutions, specializing in CCUS projects and has been involved in many CCS projects as a senior advisor. He has been with the technical lead of several projects and worked closely with global companies such as General Electric. Most recently has been working on CCS technology screening studies and has given feasibility information for several CHP plants, biomass, and not sure the word is in the European pul, pulp and paper sector and cement industries. So over to you guys both.

welcome and we look forward to your presentation. First of all, good morning again, hello to everyone. And today mainly we would like to present about basically carbon reduction and also mainly I would like to present the cost of the implementation of CCS in the cement industry. It'll be the joint presentation in between captima A, B, B. Let me introduce the information about A, b, b, what we are doing in the cement industry.

We have a long history in serving the cement industry for a long time with solutions reaching from the turnkey electrification and automation projects to distributed control systems, instrumentations and also digital solutions with in references in more than 70 countries. When we look at the, our portfolio of integrated cement plant as a BB mainly, we start at the high voltage substation where we can optimize the integration of different power sources to deliver to reliable energy to the different sections of your plant.

And with our highly efficiency drive systems on fun Ks cooler means the support, your mainly the production facility to decrease the total energy consumptions and also with our control system. With the BMI cement library and also high performance HMI systems support your operators mainly to decrease the downtime and also act efficiently and swiftly on abnormal situations in your plant. And mainly our aim to support you for a long whole life cycle of your plant. And that's why we start as a partner with you from the very early stage means pre-feasibility and feasibility study.

Then our aim to support you to optimize your total cost of electrical automation and also installation, even installation works to reduce the total cost of your project with your, with our highly experienced with engineering teams. Then as a BV mainly we are fully committed to reaching the goals of Paris Agreement in the cement industry. Then we have developed many efficient projects until now about carbon reduction and also energy efficiency with that, mainly the expert optimizer like we called, mainly kept expert optimizer and A BB, it mainly we have developed a special advanced process control systems for your plants for the different sections.

As you see, like raw materials blending, stockpile blending or coal mill control, raw milk control, cement kill, also the cooler control. All of these solutions on your plant about the expert optimizer supports you to decrease your all demand of electrical consumption on your plant. And also at the same time, we are reducing the, all the thermal consumption and at the same time, we are increasing the use of maximizing the alternative fuel. Then therefore it allows and enables to decrease your foot carbon footprint on your plant. In average more than 100,000 for per plant and CO2 and for per year roughly.

We are trying to decrease this amount from your plant to, to decrease the carbon footprint. Therefore, the mainly the another point of view for us to replace the fossil fuel from the heating process, then we have mainly developed a joint venture with highly innovative company called Berg. We have generated a spatial heating system. We are heating up to 1,700, 700 hundred Santa grad degrees in a fully electrified structure. Then mainly it supports your plant to decrease the carbon emission for some of the plant. And this is our first main target. But the, it is going by, by year by and our aim to reach our main target nearly 2007 two, 2000, mainly 27.

And when we check to also the mobile FT part to another, mainly support from your plant to support you, the smooth transition from diesel to towards electrical part, as you see from the small video, as you know, there are many trunks in plants. It is running in the quarry and also it is produce high carbon emission in your facility. Then with this mainly automatic fast charging system allows your heavy vehicles to transition towards diesel, electrical and also this infrastructure. Make this without any human integration. This is the mainly car pilot project from Canada. And if you, if you need any also question, then we can talk details also for it.

And also we have mainly the world one project in Turkey about the same from the changing the motor from the diesel to electrical. And also we have the reference, another reference in Turkey, as you see as also Urian has mentioned. There are many, many solutions in the mainly the carbon capture for the industry. But it is not easy to reach the goals for cement and concrete association, net zero roadmap, we have to apply the carbon capture solution in your plant. Even if you stored all of the optimization in your plant, you couldn't reach the reach the goal for net zero roadmap. That's why mainly you need to be really careful on it, which application you will apply in your plant.

And you need to mainly check all of the solutions because from the cost, also the technological wise. Because for example, if you will implement these carbon capture you, your facility, it'll increasing rapidly your electricity demand. And also the another question, your infrastructure are ready to adaptable to this changing and how you will make it. And for this changing how it'll affect your plant. Our your plant is ready to make this changing. Then that's why for that point we are collaborating the capitalize. Then capitalize X has mainly more than 15 years experience in carbon capture, not only for cement and also in the other industries.

Then our mainly electrical knowhow and also to capitalize the process knowhow. We are trying to mainly reach the main, the best solution in your plant. Then I would like to hand over to Mathias to go deep dive, how you will make it and which solution is the best carbon capture storage for your plant. Thank you. Thank you. Glad to be here. Glad to be a part of the collaboration here with A, B, B. And all of you actually capitalize this fully independent of any technologies, meaning that we are working with different technology suppliers throughout the world and we've been doing that for many, many years.

so actually working with working with some here we have Soomo and all the other different parties. So here together with A, BB you have two partners that are strong and we can support you and we can do the school of carbon capture at the early stage and also do very important matters regarding the electricity. Everyone's relying upon electricity and thereby it's really necessary to have that on place. So some of the reference here worth mentioning is that we have been doing a lot of studies and in these studies we've been supporting the emitter kind of as an onus engineer rather than a technology supplier. Meaning that we will come and we will help you.

We are helping some of you in the cement industry already performing screening studies, both for different plants as well as different technologies. So, and in parallel, once you've been doing a study, you may be want to go ahead and do the trials by performing a test, by a pilot plant or demonstration unit. And we also offer these kind of services, which I will go into later here as well if you have been performing studies. we also offer third party reviews, which is kind of a quality check on the performance that an engineering firm has been doing for you.

And we actually go in, we review the material where you are and we mainly focus on where you are missing out, what in what interesting parts of the puzzle has been missed or may be inaccurate. we also assist in the applications of grants, for instance, innovation fund stock MXG facility. There, I'm responsible for the carbon capture part as a part of the onus engineers. There. We were awarded one of the seven projects in EU and we were awarded 1.8 billion euro a few years ago. Finally, once a project going ahead, we can also assist being senior advisors supporting the EPC company delivering this solution to you.

Coming to the complex business case and the chain of event that we previously heard here, actually, you have to do a long session of different actions to mitigate your emissions. those are capturing the carbon, but as well, you need to take care of it throughout the full value chain here. we present to you the full chain of events which is really about the carbon capture.

That's why you start, we are looking at the different technologies out there that they shall meet your timeline because it's really essential to set up a roadmap and d determine and maybe go backwards from where you actually want to be carbon neutral and then plan out of that transportation can be either by trucks, pipelines, ships, or usage as well. So there's a lot of things to be considered and everyone is very site specific and we will support you with comparing these alternatives and give you ballpark estimates on what it would actually cost.

We will show you the permanent storage sites that are there as of today, and hopefully there will be many more storage sites emerging throughout the years, And we were, I heard earlier we talked about the different ways of storing, but in essence, it's a permanent storage to create the carbon emissions mitigation for you. These are the basis of design and the roadmap definitions that you need to do. as I mentioned, operational by you set up the milestones, you determine the TRL level, the technological maturity level according to your roadmap and the duration.

Furthermore, it's a very complex integration for some of the technologies where while some of them are just, let's say post combustion and tail end solution, this has also be to be carefully considered how to supply the energies in forms of steam, electricity and all. And that all leads up to the screening. And in the screening we do a report. We do heat and mass balance calculations, so we can provide you with the different energy requirements for different technologies may give you cooling needs electricity needs, as well as furthermore the where we can optimize these plants.

Some of the technology suppliers are as a turnkey EPC, whilst other ones are special licensers, where you will take a bigger portion onto yourself or you can package it there. I mentioned sizing. Sizing is maybe the most important thing as well because you may not have the full capacity of electricity to capture all your emission at the sites. Thereby it could be better to, let's say, see what is in the balance of plant is fair, how much electricity can I get? And there, let this set the sizing of your plant. we will try to determine the operational cost of the unit de depending on your local conditions electric pricing.

And so I would say some of the large scale cement plants, you will most likely build a combined heat and power plant as well. So you can actually produce by means of biogenic fuel the power that is needed because it may not be there. The grid may not be there at all. Finally, we will pre present to you the total cost of capture giving, give and take plus minus 30% based on supplier information that we receive and we can share with you. And we also, let's say, introduce you to all of these suppliers so you can on your own, go out and reach out to the specific technology suppliers that you are really interested to go further into collaboration with.

The second branch, apart from the screening studies and the let's say engineering phase here is that we actually design, we build, we operate test plots. So we, we have let's say normally size wise, one ton per day demonstration unit could be for different technologies and also some of them can be used to prove, and you were talking about the flu, gas specifically. We also scrub the flu gas up front of the carbon capture unit to actually see in real life how will any degradation behave on the specific plant, specific clay and the feed and feed material, fuel and raw the stuff here, Some of the experience from different technologies within the capitalized team.

I would say we are one of the world leaders regarding that. We've been through most of the technologies out there for many, many years. Actually, I started a carbon capture business in 2008 with the first pilot plant and from then on it's been going on and you can see that we've been working with both your interested in oxy fuel. we have been through the most common one, amines, potassium coordinate, chemical looping and we are constantly building and delivering new units. So, so far we have as capitalized, built and delivered three units. And we al already building new units. Two more to be commissioned in April next year.

one of them on cement, which will be a direct outcome of a screening study that we performed for one of the cement producers. And they now want to go ahead and let's say, try out that specific technology that they have chosen. So I will be together with Hilton in the a BB booth and my colleague Martin Jones. No, we're not related, we are just having the same surname. we will be there to assist you. And please, if we cannot have time to talk to, just leave your card and we will reach out to you afterwards. and then we'll arrange something. Thank you. Thank you.